Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Socrates on Perception and the Imprisonment of the Soul

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Upload Time: 2007-12-05 20:49:36
User: BakuninXL
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Socrates is widely considered the father of western thought, for more than anyone else Socrates made the people aware and thus ashamed of their own ignorance. Socrates represents the divine, his death became an immortal symbol for the evil of ignorance. Preview of the Natural Politic Order http://metadave.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/preview-of-the-natural-politic-order/ What is Enlightenment? (Revisited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psPSuOTiy8Q Stoic Philosophy: Epictetus Enchiridion I. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isAQB2kRY98 The truth is waiting outside of the kosher-box! http://metadave.wordpress.com/

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BakuninXL ::: Favorites  2007-12-08 09:33:13

The existence of something does not mean that is has a function, our body is full of things moders man does not need anymore. Wisdom teeth are just one example of many. And once we are liberated from the instncts and desires most of the other bodily things are the next to become obsolete. It's simply, as long as we are bound to the existence in flesh we are bound to servitude and so moving on is the cognition of necessity.
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-07 19:50:40

This to me means that our body has needs other than on a conscience effort from which it communicates with us.
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-07 19:48:48

Not all energy transfer is the same...There is a huge difference in the vibration of speech and the energy of touch! We will have to agree to disagree. I understand the power of the mind to manupulate, but you are ignoring the fact that our body also has cells with there own "brains" so to speak. It has also been proven that that our cells have memory, not from our conscience level but memories of there own.
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BakuninXL ::: Favorites  2007-12-07 11:26:43

Contact is contact, be it physical or non-physical. Thought is in itself a form of energy, by exchanging thoughts with others the energy the thoughts contain is exchanged as well. In the end everything we get are just electric impulses interpreted by our brain. Old thoughts or new one, physical or non-physical exchange, for our mind it's all the same. What makes some things different is only that we believe them to be different.
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bahoss ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 19:58:53

Great Soul.
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 19:33:13

As far as adults not needing human touch, I disagree. I reason that there is an energy exchange between humans that happens only through direct skin to skin contact. Not out of pure desire but out of necessity to connect. Release and receive energy.
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 18:23:42

I agree, but one without the other would make neither a necessity! I conclude that whatever has created the evolution of nature (man included) had this at the forefront of the process. I do not know of free will...I am a product of many things, much of which is experience. However, I do know with my thoughts I create what my mind considers reality. Even if that reality is, mine and mine alone. Imagination is the closest concept of will being free, even imagination has its limitations.
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BakuninXL ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 17:21:07

PS: I doubt that developed adults require physical contact for their well being, once liberated from the tyranny of the instincts and desires, intellectual exchange should be more than enough. Chhildren at some point simply start to think for themself and stop fallowing the commands of their parents, for our consciousness it's time to overcome the nanny state brought about by the tyranny of animality.
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BakuninXL ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 17:15:22

Do you believe that a prisoner who does not know that he is a prisoner is free? I guess not. Taking away consciousness does not really make beings free, it only takes away their ability to acknowledge their own slavery. This freedom is only an illusion, like communism, what appears to be liberation is only the return to a state of mere servitude.
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BakuninXL ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 17:09:52

Do you consider mere things to be free? Or beings only driven by instincts? Without reason remains only perception, the state of a mere animal, take away perception as well and what it only remains "nothingness", the state of a mere thing. Reason is what makes the difference between us and animals, like a 6 sense, not using it equqals choosing to remain blind. Reason is the sole light or human existence, without reason there is only ignorance, darkness.
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 16:31:01

I meant "HEED" Not that it matters.
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 15:45:16

If one's mind did not head the advice or "desire" of the body on every matter, the mind would soon fast to the point of maddness or one's spirit would starve for lack of companionship with physical communion. They have tested the need of a human's desire for physical contact with other's, and with lack of flesh to flesh contact, the result was grave!
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meforbes2007 ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 15:20:38

But what about the philosopher's addiction to reason? Could not one argue that one's mind is a prison by itself? With desires of it's own?
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BakuninXL ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 13:11:33

Yes and no, Western philosophy and Buddhism describe different attemps to overcome, or control, the antinomy within in order to escape the misery of our existece. Buddhism is about supressing the consciousness to arrive at "nothingness", a state void of awareness and misery alike, the return to state of a mere thing. Western philosophy goes the other way around, as Buddhism is the nagation of consciousness, western philosophy is it's liberation.
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Speaker2idiots ::: Favorites  2007-12-06 12:37:37

Sounds suprisingly like Buddhism to me. Interesting.
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